07 November 2006

An American Student in Londonistan

We are positively thrilled with the job the Mainstream Media has done to downplay Kerry's characterization of the military as dumb. If anything, their attempt at damage control for their party of choice lays bare their liberal bias.

And it looks like the MSM has something in common with terrorists--they both want the Democrats to win. From WorldNetDaily (Hat Tip: James Taranto):
Senior terrorist leaders interviewed by WND . . . say they hope Americans sweep the Democrats into power because of the party's position on withdrawing from Iraq, a move, as they see it, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

The terrorists told WorldNetDaily an electoral win for the Democrats would prove to them Americans are "tired." . . .

"Of course Americans should vote Democrat," Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group and the infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, told WND.

"This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud," said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.
We'll give terrorists this much, at least they're honest about their liberal bias.

Londonistan is both a term and a book. Last week we got a haircut at a Muslim barbershop around the corner from our flat. While sitting in the chair, al-Jazeera playing on the tv in the corner, we watched as 4-5 young Muslim men left a small room in the back. We've watched several seasons of The Unit and as a result, various terror plotting scenarios ran through our head--like the successfully foiled plot last August.

The haircut was fine, but we declined the shave with a straight edge razor. Though open to greater cultural understanding, we didn't want to push our luck.

The attacks of 7/7 in London and the response that followed did nothing to diminish our admittedly irrational fear. London is a city with a large muslim population. As with any terror act, only a few people were involved. But polls after the bombing showed a relatively large percentage of the Muslims in London were sympathetic to the actions of the 7/7 terrorists and thought they were justified. That attitude and the live and let live response of the London multiculturalists who appease them are explained fully in the aforementioned book.

Then there's this article (subscription required) describing the fertile recruiting ground that are British institutions of higher education.

Just when we were getting discouraged about the resolve of our British allies, we attended a debate hosted by the UCL Debating Union. The proposition up for debate was whether or not the the War on Terror should continue. They followed British debating style inviting first one speaker in favor and one opposed which were in turn followed by floor speeches. The floor speeches were given by members of the audience (as opposed to the more formal speeches given by pre-selected members of the debating unition) and consisted of one in favor, one opposed, and one in abstention--usually critical of both positions. They followed this format for four rounds. At the conclusion they took a vote.

When we first saw the advert for this event we assumed that it would simply be an opportunity for the Brits to badmouth Bush, Iraq, and American foreign policy. We were pleasantly surprised to hear passionate, well reasoned arguments in support of the War on Terror, America, and President Bush.

Though the proposition lost, the margin was not what one might have expected: 44 opposed, 38 in favor, and 17 in abstention. All things considered--anti-American sentiment, liberal student body--the outcome was encouraging.


And finally, a quote from a recent speech by Tony Blair.
the global struggle against terrorism... will last a generation and more. But this I believe passionately: We will not win until we shake ourselves free of the wretched capitulation to the propaganda of the enemy--that somehow we are the ones responsible. This terrorism isn't our fault. We didn't cause it. It's not the consequence of foreign policy. It's an attack on our way of life. It's global. It has an ideology. It killed nearly 3,000 people, including over 60 British, on the streets of New York before war in Afghanistan or Iraq was even thought of... If we retreat now, hand Iraq over to al-Qaeda and sectarian death squads and Afghanistan back to al-Qaeda and the Taliban, we won't be safer; we will be committing a craven act of surrender that will put our future security in the deepest peril. (emphasis added)
American war history demonstrates clearly that no conflict is easy. No war is without its setbacks and sidetracks. Mistakes have and will continue to be made in Iraq--though we hope we are learning from past ones. This much is not new.

Unfortunately, this election does not give us a choice between two different strategies on how to win the War on Terror. There is the strategy outlined by President Bush, that seeks to stabilize Iraq with the intention of withdrawal only after Iraq can protect and maintain itself. Then there is the non-strategy of the Democrats which includes withdrawal by whatever name they happen to concoct on a given day, and nothing else.

We don't know the best way to hasten the stabilization of Iraq. But we do know that retreating in an attempt to apease the islamofascists is the surest way to embolden the terrorists and hang a defenseless Iraqi citizenry out to dry.

Our recommendation: Vote to stay in Iraq.


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14 comments:

Anonymous said...

You have got to be kidding me. When the Kerry comment surfaced, every fricking news program covered it again and again. It wasn't just Fox News either. Everything from CNN to the Colbert Report was talking about it.

Personally I could care less either way: I am not a Kerry supporter, but I think that the media was unfair to him. Bush says some of the dumbest stuff ever uttered from the oval office, and nobody seems to jump on him for it (they obviously do, but not in a proportional manner - remember for example the crazy Texan-like comments/expletives to Tony Blair about terrorists or the fact that he was a drunk driver/cocaine user in college). Nobody seems to really care about these things. And you say that the media is biased.

Clearly to a certain extent I am just playing devil's advocate. I don't know if you got a chance to see this but you should check it out:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CB2d98sDbWU

Not only is it funny, but I think also a little informative.

Thanks for staying involved.

JJR

Anonymous said...

JJR, don't be belligerent. It is absolutely ignorant to say that the media doesn't jump down W's throat when he misspeaks. Making fun of his intelligence and calling attention to "Bushisms" has not only become quite the fad among talking heads, several programs have portions of their shows dedicated to just that!

Furthermore, I think the comments WERE proportional. Tearing down and degrading the armed forces--which Kerry, once upon a time, was a member of, as he's so quick to remind us--is a just a LITTLE more offensive than using expletives to describe terrorists. Don't even try and say that the attention hasn't been proportional.

Was it blown out of proportion? Maybe, but that's politics as usual, my friend.

Regarding the media's treatment of Bush and conservatives, see this article:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZWE4YzAxODIxYzYwMTJlZGQxYTQ0ODZkNGU0ZDZhYjg=

Anonymous said...

As has already been revealed to me, it would seem that my comments aren't quite so anonymous. I should have known that it would be pretty easy to root out a liberal in Utah (in reality I'm just moderate but as far as the locals are concerned... actually come to think of it, I did see "An Inconvenient Truth" by Al Gore and kind of liked it). I guess that we stick out like sore thumbs here.

Anyway, I read the article from the national review that you posted. For some reason the beginning seemed really familiar to me. I think it was because I started reading it once and then I quit because it contained the same old weak argument. My question to you o "patient observer" is if you really believe that Kerry was trying to bash on the troops or not? Can you seriously believe that he would say something like that? To me it makes no sense from a personal or POLITICAL point of view. Can't we just cough it up to the fact that he "spends large chunks of every day talking to the public, often when he’s exhausted or has no time to prepare. In the thousands and thousands of words he has uttered during his years in politics there are inevitable mistakes." Or does that ship not run both ways?

If you are of the inclination that the comment was just a mistake, then you are forced to agree that this whole argument by the Republicans is just spin. His opponents are just trying to make him out to look like he hates the American Troops in order to do better at the polls (which they didn't in case you haven't heard ;). Then Kerry's "strange" response seems to make a little more sense. Put yourself in his shoes: you were a POW, you have purple hearts, and someone claims that you are bashing the military. I think that it would be a huge slap in the face that I would take pretty personally. Maybe we should just leave the whole military service thing out of it: I mean old G.W. was keeping American Values safe for his daddy during that same time period by defending the Texas border from the Vietcong. I'm sure he's got some great stories to tell.


JJR

Anonymous said...

News flash, JJR. It turns out that the "haughty French-looking senator from Massachusetts who, by the way, served in Vietnam" was an active member of VVAW: Vietnam Veterans Against the War. This radical group became famous for protesting the war and accusing other vets of war crimes.

After serving just 4 months and not completing his tour of duty, Kerry returned home and became active in protesting the war. His testimony about the Vietnam led to a quick rise in popularity and he used it as political capital. When the time came to run for President, he pulled a chameleon and it was not the war crimes that he spoke of, but his "heroic" service for our country. John Kerry truly is everything to everyone, isn't he?

Your quote:

"Put yourself in his shoes: you were a POW, you have purple hearts, and someone claims that you are bashing the military. I think that it would be a huge slap in the face that I would take pretty personally."

Hard to take it personally if you were the one leading the military bashing, don't you think?

Anonymous said...

Shame on you man. You should know better. Are you trying to support America's involvement in Vietnam? At the time it may have seemed necessary, but in retrospect it is pretty obvious that it was a very bad idea (don't even tempt me to compare it to the "conflict" that we are currently engaged in). Kerry didn't ideologically support the war, but at least he had the balls to go. He could have just skipped out or hid behind his dad's influence like our current and previous presidents, but he didn't. When he got home, he got involved in whatever he could in order to make the pointless conflict stop. Ummm, need I say mission accomplished.

By the way, what does "French-looking" suppose to mean? I seriously laughed out loud when I read that. Is that actually referring to the fact that he looks like he is of French decent. That is a low blow dude. God knows we hate the French.


JJR

Anonymous said...

Patient Observer bought into the spin about the Kerry comment and even posted a deceptive clip of the comment on this blog. Either context doesn't matter to Patient Observer, or he/she isn't aware of what Kerry's theme was. I gave Jake a chance to be reasonable and show that he isn't a reactionary partisan, and he declined the opportunity and instead went along with the spin machine... not too surprising, but disappointing still. Then again, this is the guy who wanted the election to be about Iraq and gay marriage and then was later relieved to see that Americans voted his party out over scandals and corruption.

JJR, don't you find it kind of funny that the same people who vehemently denied that Iraq was comparable to Vietnam now are the ones claiming we can't leave because, "It will be just like Vietnam!" They get lost in their own spin and eventually deceive themselves.

Anonymous said...

There has been no comparison on these boards or on this blog Vietnam and Iraq.

Anonymous said...

Wrong again. Actually there HAS been a comparison. Jake urged his readers to vote Republican because he feared that Democrats would pull out, leaving a situation similar to Vietnam, among other 'failed' American foreign policies he mentioned. Remember, Jake claims these failures were because Americans lacked the "will" to win the war, and not because the policies were flawed in and of themselves or because the execution of these policies was mismanaged. The revolting thing is that Jake makes no demand for accountability from the people who pushed for, planned, and failed to grasp the nature of the Iraq undertaking (or Vietnam), and instead he would have you believe that the blame for these catastrophies lies on the shoulders of the American people who "lack the will." It's not only offensive to the American people, but it shows a stubborn refusal to adjust his position with the help of hindsight.

By the way Jake, I went to lunch today with a gentleman from England and I told him of your comparison of Bush to Churchhill. Based on his reaction, I imagine you keep that thought pretty quiet over there.

Anonymous said...

raisin,

the nuance of jake's argument, as i understand it, of the vietnam comparison was that iraq *would be* like vietnam if we pulled out early, not that it currently is vietnam.

you're right, jake did make the case that the election shoud be about iraq. by pointing out that people voted for other reasons does not invalidate what he said. i think his point was that by voting about those issues(corruption), people were not saying they wanted out of iraq. the point he made, which you must have missed, was that lieberman's win over lamont further underlined the public's support for the war in iraq.

the gentleman you went to lunch with probably knows about as much about churchill as you do and by that i mean little to nothing. so his reaction proves... nothing.


jjr,

is it so hard to believe that a man who libelously said this about the troops in Vietnam:

"They had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

would later contemputously say this about the troops in Iraq?

"You know, education--if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

before the 2004 election he admitted that he had made that earlier stuff up and apologized for it. too bad he didn't just flat about apologize this time.

ps. he wasn't a POW. you're confusing him with mccain.

Anonymous said...

Anon,

Now Jake even has someone spinning his own claims? Let me spell it out:

Back in the early days of the Iraq war when things were starting to fade from "Mission Accomplished" to "Insurgency", critics of the war started comparing the potential quagmire to Vietnam. The conservatives denied this comparison and said they were nothing alike. Now, conservatives are warning that pulling out would have effects "like our pulling out in Vietnam." If both Iraq and Vietnam are wars that 1) could be or could have been won and 2) the effects of pulling out would be similar in both cases and 3) the common deficiency as claimed by Jake is American willpower, then don't you think a comparison has been drawn? Especially given the current situation with a divided country and mounting costs and casualties associated with the war? Regardless, my comment stands that it is funny that the same people who didn't want to make the comparison are now making the comparison as a warning if we pull out. Get it? You think Jake would have been discussing "Lack of Will" and Vietnam back in the early days when critics first started making the comparison?

Next- Jake's spin on the election: Jake didn't invalidate his claim that Iraq and gay marriage are the two most important issues by taking relief that corruption and scandals were listed as major reasons for the election results. No, but he took the shitty flavored lemons the election had dealt him, and turned them into shitty flavored lemonade. Call it bad spin. Jake claimed that a vote for Democrats is a vote for pulling the troops, and so why would there be any relief in the fact that corruption turned out to be a major voting factor ALONG WITH disapproval of the Iraq war? That's some bad tasting lemonade boy. Americans do want to see success in Iraq, but the vote wasn't a vote of confidence that the Republicans can get it done. See the spin, especially with a Democrat Lieberman victory?

As for the ad hominem about Churchill, I don't know what to do because Anonymous cannot be "ad hominemed" in return like I normally would because he/she/it lacks an identity. But I agree, my comment about Churchill proves nothing. However I do look forward to seeing if history judges George W. Bush to be my generation's equivalent of Winston Churchill.

Anonymous, you've got some great tits though, I'll give you that. (Gender neutral compliment.)

Warmest Regards,

Raisin

Anonymous said...

raisin,

i can't completely agree with your point on vietnam for the simple reason that the distinction jake and other conservative writers have made is that the conditions on the ground in vietnam and iraq are different--insurgency, islamofascism as opposed to communism, plus the small minority of terrorists as opposed to the large population in favor of north vietnam, etc. asserting that pulling out of iraq and pulling out of vietnam would both have negative results doesn't make him hypocritical in his use of history. he could have easily said, as other conservative writers have, that pulling out of iraq would result in a slaughter like we saw in rwanda and is currently happening in darfur. would that comparison make you happy? in either case the point is clear--a crappy result.

as for the election, his point still stands. it was not a repudiation of the war itself. i agree with you that it could be interpreted as a repudiation of how the war has been executed by bush and the rest--lets call it tactics--but again, it was not a rejection of the war and a call for an immediate pullout. were it a wholesale rejection, lieberman would not have won, the anti-war lamont would have.

i apologize for the personal attack. i could have made my point about churchill without belittling you. i know jake doesn't like personal attacks or bad language.

Anonymous said...

Formerly,

I don't really want to get into a discussion about how similar or different Iraq and Vietnam are, mainly because that wasn't the point I was making, and also because I know about as much about Vietnam as I do about Churchill. The truth is that those who refused to even consider a comparison back when the idea seemed like it could work are now facing a situation in which public support for the war has largely faded, there is no clear exit strategy or idea of how to win this war, and the situation seems to be slipping out of our control- circumstances that have caused conservatives to worry that the possible pullout could create an aftermath similar to Vietnam. Let's just say it is humorous to me that at one point liberals were warning that Iraq could become like Vietnam, and now conservatives are warning that Iraq COULD BECOME like Vietnam. Something tells me you aren't laughing with me.

As for my thoughts about the election, let me rephrase things so it might make more sense. Iraq was supposed to be the all-important issue this election and a vote for the Democrats was a sure killer for the war, according to Jake. So according to his earlier claim, the war is essentially dead because the Democrats took power. But he tried to put a happy face on about this crushing blow (I assume he feels it was crushing, otherwise his earlier writing urging people to vote Republican wasn't sincere) by downplaying the fact that this election was largely about Iraq, and overplaying the fact that corruption and scandals changed the election. I seems lame to me because someone who really believed that the war was crucial and that the Democrats would ruin things wouldn't take comfort in the loss for several reasons. First, the Democrats won and so it doesn't matter what the side currents of the election were because we are now going to pullout and lose, right? Second, the cause he had hoped people would vote on wasn't compelling enough to overlook scandals and corruption, and so wouldn't we expect Jake to regret the fact that Americans didn't see "the light" and instead chased secondary voting issues such as scandals? Oh no, he took comfort in it. Strange. It's like a coach telling his team before the game that the key to victory is keeping turnovers low, and then afterwards taking comfort in the fact that his offense only grabbed a season-low 30 yards and his turnover average held steady at 3 per game. At least turnovers aren't killing us anymore! Yippee!

No need for an apology for belittling me. I couldn't have taken it personally, and to take offense would be ridiculous given all the harassing I have given Jake and his conservative friends over the years. Now if you would have commented on my cooking or housekeeping, well thems fightin' words.

This document has been certified "Swear Word Free". If you happen to find any offensive or unclean language in this or any future communications from Raisin or any of his derivative egos, please contact him immediately at 1-800-chingate. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Raisin,
Clever use of one of the most profane of all spanish groserias.

Anonymous said...

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